When I was a kid, me and my Dad belonged to the YMCA's Indian Guides. We had fake Indian names, and made fake vests and feathered headresses, we met in one of our members' living rooms, sitting on the floor, around a fake fire (made out of some logs, an electric light and some clear red plastic).
The intent was laduable: "fellowship, camping, and community-building activities". But we were fake Indians.
Most real Indians that I ask usually have a lot of contempt for such practices. They have deep respect for their own traditions, and don't normally want it to be cheapened and commercialized.
The ones that I have the closest contact with, tell me that I have my own European traditions, that my people have abandoned centuries ago.
Personally, I think of it as if our ancestral ways destroyed by an explosion. It's as if a car exploded and all we have is some bits and pieces, an owner's manual, pieces of similar cars, and maybe old photographs of the factory where it was built.
We can look to tribal peoples for hints and clues, but most of us do not really belong to these tribes. I love the American Indians and other tribal peoples, and I learn all I can from them, but I refuse to insult their ancient traditions by doing the fake Indian game.
My original tribe, the Papitantrists, started in this way. We looked at what tribal traditions survive from Europe, and we looked at them in a new light from our lessons among the Indians. Although our members are all aging quickly, and we are spread out all over country now, we still stay in touch and remember the tribal traditions that we re-discovered together.
The intent was laduable: "fellowship, camping, and community-building activities". But we were fake Indians.
Most real Indians that I ask usually have a lot of contempt for such practices. They have deep respect for their own traditions, and don't normally want it to be cheapened and commercialized.
The ones that I have the closest contact with, tell me that I have my own European traditions, that my people have abandoned centuries ago.
Personally, I think of it as if our ancestral ways destroyed by an explosion. It's as if a car exploded and all we have is some bits and pieces, an owner's manual, pieces of similar cars, and maybe old photographs of the factory where it was built.
We can look to tribal peoples for hints and clues, but most of us do not really belong to these tribes. I love the American Indians and other tribal peoples, and I learn all I can from them, but I refuse to insult their ancient traditions by doing the fake Indian game.
My original tribe, the Papitantrists, started in this way. We looked at what tribal traditions survive from Europe, and we looked at them in a new light from our lessons among the Indians. Although our members are all aging quickly, and we are spread out all over country now, we still stay in touch and remember the tribal traditions that we re-discovered together.
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Re: Fake Indians
Wed, January 2, 2008 - 5:02 PMThe tracks of our ancestors have been wiped away by the Great Forgetting. It's not up to us to replant their exact footprints, but to make our own, equally original tracks.
Carl Cole
* or to imitate the footsteps of others!
Well said, thank you, i've been saying this a lot lately, it's good to be reminded of the connection when we see other's are thinking the same things as us. -
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 3:05 PMInteresting quote. Who is Carl Cole? -
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Re: Fake Indians
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 9:42 PMThis quote was in a Daniel Quinn manuscript online, it just said 'Carl Cole, age 19' -
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Re: Fake Indians
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:18 PMhahaha i like
yo check it out
fake indians
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the fake part... Fake things will be real when krsna comes so, due respect to the faux.
check out, religeons have been held in trust since before any current languages were thought of or spoke.
That said, you were lucky to have a real fake indian experience. Because that's something we should hold in trust
from the false egos. It can obviously fuck you up!
So let's just hold this in trust because we don't want to mess up our really good real tribal experience. -
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Re: Fake Indians
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:20 PMDid you find any thing in Europe? I'm from a European tribe.
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Re: Fake Indians
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:33 PMMost real Indians that I ask usually have a lot of contempt for such practices. They have deep respect for their own traditions, and don't normally want it to be cheapened and commercialized.
The ones that I have the closest contact with, tell me that I have my own European traditions, that my people have abandoned centuries ago.
Right you know since religeons are just held in trust
you know what I'm saying? I don't want to give you a fake indian experience. I could give you a fake experience that would be more real than anything you've ever known, like that would be really aweful so I wouldn't do that, so, I just hold this in trust from the people even though it's like what the man does, it's something I gotta do to make you jump through hoops! You might think I'm clowning but it get's results. I'm from the Keep it Real era of Hiphop heads, so I'm keeping it real. It's neo-tribal. Is it neo though? is it tribal?
new? well intentionally not. Tribal? No affraid not so it's held in trust....
wack let me clarify; there are people doing rituals but it's kept quiet. These people possess rights. their land is held in trust. that's exactly wackness. I can't tell you what it's like to keep someone else's religeon in trust. -
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Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:35 PMOoh your tribes didn't abandon them. They made a mistake when they sold their land back to the Romans.
I learned that tribes without contact with Rome have unique folk dances...Dances.
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