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I know this may sound anti-tribal... whichit is not meant to be. But when does tribal start to discriminate and become racist and sexit? To me it seems that becoming small tribes and communities and getting rid of the large metropolitan areas might leave a lot more room for racism, discrimination and a lot of rejection in general. It seems that other than family, what constitutes as a tribe? Who decides who remains or joins a tribe and benefits from their friendship, protection and community? Isn't a large city or country kind of like a tribe that has grown to huge numbers? Doesn't the idea of only having small tribes and communities disconnect people from each other? Does tribilism mean open-hearted human acceptance or does it mean that judgment and social/communal control decides what is right and who is in or out? At least, in a city, you can live more or less how you want, if a particular sector of the city dislikes you for some reason. It doesn't mean that you won't be able to get food, a place to live or even new friends and loved ones, which are a very necessary part of life. However, if you are a part of a tribe that chooses for some reason or another that your way of life is not right or good. Then they can easily take away your way of life and also hurt you emotionally and mentally. So is it right to have small tribes based on ideology or is it right to have a large city where everyone can choose to live how they want... as long as they follow the laws, which are of course in an ideal environment subject to change if deemed unfair?
I personally, prefer to think of all humanity as being interconnected with all life and to break the current city structure into an older way of life meaning small tribes doesn' t necessarily change our impact on the world and our actions which are not always accepting of others. I know what it is like to be a part of a community where people were rejected and judged for not being or acting according to the likings of the "government," Life in a community can get really painful and hard when you are rejected or not in alignment with the powers that be. In a small community, it is easier because of the nature of the community, to able suppress free thought, speech and action. Simply, that there is a larger chance that if people have arguments, disagreements, and other issues, than you can't just walk away and join another tribe. If you are forced out of a tribe, you can't just move away to another part of the world like you can now. Your tribe is your world and there are no means of survival outside of it. I think it's better to have a city and turn that into a more environmentally friendly place and a more community friendly place. If you have issues with your community or tribe, can you walk away from it and still survive and find friendships outside of it?
I personally like having a little bit of anonymity in my life. I like not being part of just one kind of community or thing. I like the fact that there are millions of possibilities in a large city. I love nature and the Wild as well. But I prefer to bring that into the city and make the city more nature friendly than just get rid of the city all together.
Having experienced living in a community a couple of times, I can honestly say that it can be beautiful but can also become really difficult and even painful. So I would think about the whole tribal idea. I prefer having tribes within the context of a larger city but even that can turn into a power struggle or power play depending on what the tribe is based on.
I personally, prefer to think of all humanity as being interconnected with all life and to break the current city structure into an older way of life meaning small tribes doesn' t necessarily change our impact on the world and our actions which are not always accepting of others. I know what it is like to be a part of a community where people were rejected and judged for not being or acting according to the likings of the "government," Life in a community can get really painful and hard when you are rejected or not in alignment with the powers that be. In a small community, it is easier because of the nature of the community, to able suppress free thought, speech and action. Simply, that there is a larger chance that if people have arguments, disagreements, and other issues, than you can't just walk away and join another tribe. If you are forced out of a tribe, you can't just move away to another part of the world like you can now. Your tribe is your world and there are no means of survival outside of it. I think it's better to have a city and turn that into a more environmentally friendly place and a more community friendly place. If you have issues with your community or tribe, can you walk away from it and still survive and find friendships outside of it?
I personally like having a little bit of anonymity in my life. I like not being part of just one kind of community or thing. I like the fact that there are millions of possibilities in a large city. I love nature and the Wild as well. But I prefer to bring that into the city and make the city more nature friendly than just get rid of the city all together.
Having experienced living in a community a couple of times, I can honestly say that it can be beautiful but can also become really difficult and even painful. So I would think about the whole tribal idea. I prefer having tribes within the context of a larger city but even that can turn into a power struggle or power play depending on what the tribe is based on.
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Re: Tribes and Discrimination
Fri, July 17, 2009 - 11:25 PMplural + -ism
Noun
Singular
pluralism
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pluralisms
pluralism (plural pluralisms)
1. The quality or state of being plural, or in the plural number.
2. The state of a pluralist; the holding of more than one ecclesiastical living at a time.
3. In social sciences, a social system based on mutual respect for each other's cultures among various groups that make up a society, wherein subordinate groups do not have to forsake their lifestyle and traditions but, rather, can express their culture and participate in the larger society free of prejudice.
* 2007, Matthias Koenig, Paul F. A. Guchteneire, Unesco, Democracy and Human Rights in Multicultural Societies, page 251:
" Instead, it is more probable that globalization is leading to a plurality of pluralisms. "
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You are used to a society of pluralism, ie. diversity under a mono culture (one could say the mono culture is civilization). Tribes are diversity under their own culture.
Many tribes can also be comprised of clans. Some tribes are small, and some are very large.
Cultural identity is not racism or sexism.
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Sat, July 18, 2009 - 12:37 AMIndeed. I would much rather bounce around small tribes with individual cultures, until I found one that fit me, than live in the homogenized, make everything vanilla and consume, culture that pervades most of the US.
Plus I think that part of the problem with things is that you CAN just piss people off and probably not have to deal with them later and that you can just float anywhere with no ties. Moving to a tribal, intentional community type of lifestyle is about working as much, or more, for the whole tribe than on yourself. It isn't just about doing whatever you want all the time. It is about giving back and being a part of something. I have spent a good deal of my life just doing what I want an it left me hollow. Now I want to be a part of something worthwhile and help in anyway I can. I want to reconnect with all that has been denied by our culture. I want to regain my lost heritage and become a relation again to the life that is everywhere, and nowhere. -
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Sat, July 18, 2009 - 10:57 AMWell said, Sen. I think there needs to be more emphasis on social justice, even if it means less personal liberty. It's supposed to be that "with freedom comes responsibility", because there's natural responsibilities that work to keep freedom within the realm of dynamically balanced order. In a truly free, anarchistic society, there would eventually be "liberty and justice for all" because these social (not to mention economic and ecologic) laws that would be allowed to work unimpeded. Instead, there's these unnatural barriers erected that protect the freedom of some above their responsibility to others. In a community, there's some give and take. You are forced to make compromises and cooperate with each other. You can't go around upsetting the balance and not expect reprisal. There's no social class or group of animals who would be allowed to monopolize the resources of the land and sea that all natural life depends on, for one crucial example.
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Sat, July 25, 2009 - 5:25 AMIn my statement and question, I wasn't necessarily talking about the US as an ideal to live in. But myself having come from a culture that is all about small community life, I can tell you that if you want to dissent and question things in that type of a culture and religion focused community, then you get yourself in a lot of trouble. A lot of hooplah is created about culture and identity these days, primarily because of racism and discrimination. Many tribes and communities which although tend to be respectful to each other, are still highly rooted in sexism and male culture. It is indeed very difficult for a woman in my culture (which is not white) to be free in choosing her way of life. If she were to descent, much harm would come to her. To me, it seems that going back to being tribal rather than metropolitan may not be the answer. I'm just looking at history, not just of my culture, but of the world at large, where racism, sexism, intolerance, war, factions, religions, have been the way of life for a very very long time. I really don't see how human beings like me, who do not fit into or agree with the ideals of their tribe, nor with any other tribe would survive in a purely tribal world. I mean, really, as a woman, I know what it's like to be abused in the name of culture. religion and some messed up ideas of moral rights and of course, not having anywhere to go where I could live freely in peace, I think creates a huge human rights issue.
By the way, much of the world is still living a tribal way of life.
Again... I LOVE being Tribal.... just that my tribal ways don't fit into any category or in any tribe. I mean what if you happened to have an abusive family/tribe. Where would you go/ -
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Sun, July 26, 2009 - 8:53 AMI was in an abusive family, and now I am still in an abusive monoculture. Where do I go? -
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Sun, July 26, 2009 - 7:35 PMFamilies are easier to move away from, once one can live on their own, but monoculture is much harder to escape. Even as I lay plans and plot to get away from it, I am surrounded and affected by it. But I have hope. :)
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Sun, July 26, 2009 - 7:32 PMAh, I see. Yes, I have heard of some messed up stuff from some tribal cultures. I think that is why we are focusing on a neo-tribalism. Sort of applying what worked and was good in tribal life and hopefully dealing with the negative aspects that can pop up. Communes and intentional communities can be great for a sort of neo-tribal life. Some of those fail or aren't for everyone but I've heard of a lot that the participants love and wouldn't trade their communities for anything. -
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Sat, August 15, 2009 - 1:27 AMYEah, communitites can be great, especially if there are a lot of positive relationships happening in the commmunity. You can't beat the close friendships and relationships that form in that kind of an environment. It's a lot of fun. But I think it's important that there be mutual respect and love amongst the people and a lack of pecking order is necessary as well. Otherwise, things get painful for some and really out of balance. I guess there is an art to community or tribal living that maybe needs attention and perfection. All about balance I suppose. But really nothing is possible without love.
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